How to Find a New Guild – A Guide and Case Study

Regular readers may have noticed the dearth of posts the past few weeks. In that time, I searched for and found a new guild: Seppuku, a 3/7 M 2-night guild on US-Stormrage. As of this posting, the guild is looking for a few more ranged DPS, hoping to round out the roster to 24-25 raiders.

Why find a new guild?

If you are happy in your current guild, you should strongly consider staying there. Changing guilds, especially if it involves paying real life money for a server transfer, brings with it some risk and uncertainty. Have a specific reason why you need to look for a new guild.

I was very happy with my past guild (Dinosaur Cowboys, a 4/7 M 2-night guild on US-Sargeras), except for one thing. It was located on “my” alliance server where I had over one million gold and 12 90+ alliance toons. It raided 2 weeknights, which is ideal for me right now. It had a great atmosphere, a long history, and a positive raiding environment. It was well organized, and I liked the people.

The only problem was that the guild didn’t think it needed me. It had 36+ players step into the raid in the first three weeks of mythic, and outside of the dozen or so “core” members who were getting nearly 100% time, playing time was pretty sparse. I was only seeing about 25% of the mythic pulls. I am fine with sitting some, but 3/4 of the time was far too much.

On the week before I left, I saw 0 of the guild’s 3 mythic farm kills and did not get in at all on the second raid night. I had raised the issue with the officers after the first week and hadn’t seen much improvement in play time. I was on the fence about leaving because the guild was otherwise a perfect fit, but sitting for the entire night as multiple players were rotated in made it clear to me that I had to leave.

The guild is progressing well through The Emerald Nightmare with their current roster management system, so even though I was the only balance druid and performing well, there’s a sense in which they really don’t need me. I think that my dedication and my performance (e.g., my most recent mythic Ursoc kill, on Raphkin, vs theirs) indicated I could have helped push progression there, but ultimately I wasn’t getting the chance to prove it.

I enjoyed leveling up and doing mythic+s with them, I made a few friends, and I got some good raid time and logs in on heroic (where I was never sat). I enjoyed my time there and left at the right time. I wish them well, and might consider playing with them again under the right circumstances.

I wish I hadn’t had to leave, as I had seen the guild as a potentially permanent home.

How to Select a New Guild – Your Requirements and Application

Alright, so I had a clear reason for leaving and decided to leave. What was I looking for in a guild and what did I bring to the table?

Put effort into figuring this out and creating the outline of your application!

I’m going to copy/paste my guild “Looking for Guild” post below to show you what I went with. Ultimately, this part is up to you – what exactly are you looking for, and what can the guild expect from you? Even if you don’t post it publicly, spending some time thinking about what you want in a guild is important.

A trap players sometimes fall into is always wanting a more progressed guild. Faster progression is great, but only if you have the skill and commitment to be a consistent player there. Also, if you are happy in a guild doing heroic, think hard about whether mythic is right for you. Mythic likely involves some bench time, and while I am fine with a bit of bench time, some players aren’t.

My post, which I used as an application template:


  • Btag: Raphael#1142.
  • Current WoW Character: (Character name and url of armory).
  • Raiding Spec: Balance Druid (27 AP, 871 ilvl).
  • Offspecs: Restoration Druid (16 AP), Guardian Druid (13 AP).
  • Emerald Nightmare Raiding Progress: 7/7H First week, 1 Mythic Nythendra kill, Multiple pulls on 4 mythic bosses.
  • UI: (
  • Heroic Kill Logs: Best are all 90+% (url of logs).
  • On my one mythic Nythendra kill I died to slow ticking damage from Rot while receiving little healing, with Barkskin on cooldown from a previous Rot.
  • I welcome you to examine my mythic progression logs (link to logs), I’ve done great on mechanics and DPS when in.
  • Mythic+ Progression: Three weeks of M+10 completed, hope to continue that streak.

About me:

  • I play WoW because I enjoy playing Mythic Progression. I simcraft my class, read and participate in Balance Druid theorycrafting ( Balance profile is based partly on my suggestions), make and use weakauras.
  • I optimize my gear and consumables (best enchants, gems, crafted gear, pots, flasks, vantus runes and runes as applicable).
  • I am dedicated: I do most AP and gear world quests, I have 100% attendance in Legion and historically 95+% attendance, I research and contribute to strategies on guild forums, I speak up and contribute to a positive atmosphere.
  • I maintain a class guides compilation and blog about Warcraft/raiding with 20,000+ monthly views.
  • T18 on Holy Paladin (Anphar-Sargeras), US 167 M Archimonde, as healing officer and later GM of the no-longer-raiding 2-day guild <Cake Plantation> (
  • T17 on Balance Druid (Eenheid-Aerie Peak), in <Alone>’s 2-day raid team in Tier 17 (I finished tier 8/10 M; weekend team would have been around US 375 if apart from the US 90 weekday raid) (

Hard requirements of what I am looking for in a guild:

  • Reasonable playing time. I am fine with sitting occasionally as needed, but I am not interested in a bench/backup position. My ideal guild specifically needs ranged DPS.
  • No racism/no slurs/no excessive vulgarity.
  • A guild that raids 10.5 hours per week or less, 2 or 3 nights per week, between 6-12 pm EST and does not raid on Friday or Saturday. No “optional” heroic clear on a 4th day.
  • 9 hours per week or less is better, 2 nights per week is better, 7-11 pm EST is better.
  • Well-defined new member/”trial” period; feedback if you want players to make adjustments, especially when asked.
  • Actively progressing in mythic, not “we need just a few more to do mythic.”


  • Guild is (my Current Faction); on (my Current Server).
  • Active, friendly guild outside of raid times, people doing M+s and PvP.
  • Strong guild history prior to Legion.
  • In the US 100-300 progression range currently and/or in past raids.

Thanks for reading. Respond here and/or add me on BTAG if interested.

How to Find a New Guild – The Search

Alright, so you know what you want and are ready to apply? How do you find the guild that’s right for you?

I asked a few friends, and got great advice from one in particular. Here’s what I recommend, in rough order.

  1. If you know friends in a guild that would be a good fit for you, reach out to them.
  2. Make a post on the official LFG forums; if a guild posts something specific there and contacts you, you know that you might be a good fit for them.
  3. Scan wowprogress for guilds meeting your criteria.
  4. Scan the LFG forums for guilds meeting your criteria.
  5. Make posts on other sites and forums, or scan posts on other sites and forums.

Make a text file or spreadhseet with your top choices and guilds that contact you. Record the URL of your application, BTAG of anyone that contacted you, and your application status. Especially early in an expansion, you may get a lot of interest, and it can be hard to keep track of unless you have a system for doing so.

I ended up applying to about 10 guilds, some of which contacted me, some I found on wowprogress, and some I saw on the LFG forums. I was BTAG added by another 10-20 guilds that I did not end up applying to.

Most of my wow friends were in guilds that would not be a good fit for me, unfortunately, failing to meet one or more of my hard requirements.

The Results

I was only declined from one guild that told me that they did not like my performance. I was declined from a few more that said I had a strong app but were hesitant to add a third or fourth Balance Druid. I was also BTAG added by a few US top 100 guilds that wondered whether I might stretch my 10.5 hour maximum raid hours per week requirement, which was a nice ego boost. I was tempted, since raiding with stronger players is generally more fun for me, but ultimately I set my time requirements for a reason.

In the end, I had several great choices to pick from. I first eliminated the 3-day guilds, since I would prefer not to commit three nights a week to raiding right now and I had some strong 2-day choices. I also eliminated a few horde guilds, since they were not obviously better choices than the remaining alliance guilds and, all things being equal, I would rather not pay for a faction change.

The last few were very hard, all alliance guilds that raid during the times I want to and seeming to have great atmospheres. I ultimately decided to trial with Seppuku.

I am only one week in, but I am optimistic about my future here. The core of the guild is very strong, and I enjoy raiding with the incredibly proficient other balance druid (who is also GM/raid leader!). Look out for a logs comparison post in the very near future. I have enjoyed doing M+s and chatting with the guild members outside of raid times as well.

Changing guilds directly addressed the issue I had with my former guild: I went from being in on 25% of mythic pulls, 1 mythic kill, and 0 first kills over three weeks to being in on 100% of the pulls, 3 mythic kills, and 1 first kill in my first week there. And, I was promoted to Raider after one week.

If you want to check out a few other resources on finding guilds, I list a few on the General Raiding Guides page.

I hope that I do not find myself looking for another guild any time soon.

Mount Macros Revisited

A post over at Coffee Cakes and Crits showed a creative way to incorporate toys and pets into your mount macro. Fun times.

I also discovered recently that Blizzard has updated it’s “Favorite Mount” logic, so you will cast a mount with a ground animation when in non-flying zones and a mount that can fly in flying zones.

It seems like they did this on a pretty smart per mount basis – Cenarion War Hippogryph has a goofy run animation with its wings so it casts only in flying zones, but Red Flying Cloud looks nifty on the ground and it casts in both. All ground-only mounts will cast in only nonflying areas.

So, I have made a revision to my mount macro since I last shared it. Here it is:

/cast Archmage Vargoth's Spare Staff
/castrandom [mod:alt]Azure Water Strider, Crimson Water Strider
/cast [mod:shift]Grand Expedition Yak;[mod:ctrl]X-53 Touring Rocket
/cancelform [stance:1/2]
/run C_MountJournal.SummonByID(0)

As noted by wrathofkublakhan, /rfp summons a random favorite pet. Enjoy!

Learn from Logs: Picking the Top Talents

Class Guides are great, but logs can be even better in some areas. Guides are a prediction of what will be best for each class, whereas logs tell you exactly what worked. I plan to write a few posts about using logs to improve your play. Today, we’ll look at selecting the right talents for your class and spec based on logs.

Warcraftlogs has a great rankings feature that lets you examine at a glance what talents the highest ranking players in your class are using. Click on the menu button to the top left, and click on rankings next to the current raid. Select the boss, difficulty, and class you are interested in.

As an example, here are the top performances for Balance Druids on Heroic Nythendra. At the top, the site lists the top talents and trinkets for that boss. Along the side, you can see if any players near the top diverted from these talents or trinkets.

For Balance druids, literally everyone in the top 100 uses Starlord, Incarnation, Blessing of the Ancients, and Nature’s Balance. Even, as an observer who knows nothing about the class, you can guess that those talents are the top DPS talents for Nythendra. If a Balance druid isn’t using those talents on the fight in your raid, you might wonder why.

Another “top talent” is Guardian Affinity. Unlike the four mentioned above, however, many druids in the top 100 are using another choice – Restoration Affinity. This suggests that there isn’t a clear consensus between the two talents for top DPS or utility.

Try looking at the top talents for each fight for your spec – hopefully you aren’t surprised by what you find.

Get Two Mythic+ Keystones Each Week

EDIT 2016-10-5: This has been patched out. If I had known for sure that it would be, I could have skipped writing this post.

Each week, if you completed a Mythic+ dungeon the previous week, you will get a chest in your order hall containing a piece of gear corresponding to the highest Mythic+ dungeon you beat as well as a Mythic+ keystone 2 levels lower than your previous week’s keystone.

If you don’t have a Mythic+ keystone, you can get a +2 keystone by completing any Mythic or Mythic+ dungeon.

A few sources have reported to me that, as of this week, you could combine these two options. If you waited to open your chest until you did a Mythic dungeon, getting the +2 keystone, you would get both that +2 keystone and the Mythic+ keystone 2 levels below your previous week’s keystone.

It’s not clear whether this is an intentional feature or a bug that will be patched out. If you want to try your luck at getting a second keystone, this might be something you want to look into more. If it’s a bug rather than an intended feature, you probably want to avoid using it just to be safe.

Fishbrul Special

If you play a DPS class, before raid today, you might want to look into whether you are eating the right food. It could be Fishbrul Special.

Back in Draenor, Blizzard introduced Felmouth Frenzy. This food did direct damage to your target rather than improving a stat. This type of food is back in Legion with several varieties. From least to most potent: Spiced Rib Roast, Drogbar Style Salmon, and Fishbrul Special.

For many classes, for single target DPS fights, Fishbrul Special is going to be the winner. If you aren’t sure, ask friends or just Simcraft it yourself.

For an introduction to Simcraft, see the link on the General Raiding Guides page. One you have your simulate profile set up and simmed with stat food, replace the food line and simulate again with Fishbrul Special.

For Balance Druid, I simulated two profiles, one with the first line and one with the second:


For me, Fishbrul Special comes out slightly ahead with current gear (it was about even last week!), giving about a 0.7% DPS increase over haste food. Don’t miss out on DPS before you even enter the instance – make sure to eat the right food!